In Pink Chair Chats, Chancellor Randy Woodson interviews alumni, college, workers and buddies of the college to showcase all that we Suppose and Do as a Wolfpack. The chancellor is joined by BJ Barham within the third episode of the sequence. Barham, who studied political science and historical past at NC State, is the lead singer of American Aquarium, a band that Chancellor Woodson says “def[ies] categorization.” They discuss musical influences, Wolfpack fandom and even play a tune collectively (appropriately titled “Wolves”) on this episode of Pink Chair Chats.
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Chancellor Randy Woodson: Good day, Wolfpack Nation. It’s Randy Woodson for one more session of Pink Chair Chats. That is the place we’ve nice conversations with superb Wolfpackers, folks that have one factor in widespread and that’s that they love this college and love the Pack. Right now, we’re actually excited to have BJ Barham with us. The founder, lead singer, superb songwriter for the alt-country Americana, they defy categorization, American Aquarium. Hey, BJ.
BJ Barham: Hey, how are you?
Chancellor Woodson: I’m dwelling the dream, I’m with you.
BJ: Nonsense, nonsense. Thanks for having me.
Chancellor Woodson: Oh, we’re thrilled to have you ever. Inform me, you’ve all the time been related to NC State, all the time been related to Raleigh, however you’ve been world wide with this band. So, inform me about your NC State journey. How did you get right here?
BJ: I grew up in a bit of place referred to as Reidsville, North Carolina. It’s about an hour and a half west of right here, proper above Greensboro. And I got here to Raleigh to attend NC State College. I got here right here in 2002. I used to be a CHASS child. I used to be a political science and historical past main.
And once I moved to Raleigh, that’s when my eyes shifted to music. Began taking part in guitar, began taking part in open mics and began taking part in in a number of the bars in Raleigh. And rapidly, my objective of being an lawyer slowly shifted to being a singer, songwriter.
Chancellor Woodson: Effectively, the world is best off for it.
BJ: I believe the world is significantly better off.
Chancellor Woodson: You recognize, nothing in opposition to attorneys, however I believe we’ve a good variety of—
BJ: I believe we’ve sufficient of these.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah. Effectively, you’ll be able to all the time use extra music.
BJ: For positive. For positive.
Chancellor Woodson: So, you began — you’re an outstanding songwriter — and every little thing I’ve learn in regards to the creation of the band and about your begin on this journey was actually to present you a venue to play the music that you just have been creating. And, so typically, folks get into music by taking part in different folks’s materials. However you’ve been a songwriter from the start.
BJ: Yeah. The explanation I began a band was to present this life to the songs that I used to be creating.
It’s simply me and an acoustic guitar. I write all of the songs. These skeletal, folks ruminations, after which the band turns them into one thing a lot larger. And so, I used to be actually fortunate whereas I used to be at NC State to fulfill the band that initially began as the primary model of this band was simply buddies of mine from faculty.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah.
BJ: We lovingly confer with them as owner-operators, the blokes that moved to Raleigh and had a bass, or had a drum set. And we began taking part in reveals at The Brewery on Hillsborough Avenue, R.I.P. I believe it’s a CVS or one thing, a Walgreens, at this level. But it surely was once just like the one place that might ebook loads of native bands. And rising up in Reidsville, there have been two sorts of musicians. There have been massive, prime 40 stuff you hear on the radio and there was individuals who performed, like, at your loved ones reunion. Like, simply enjoyable. I by no means knew there was an in-between. And once I moved to Raleigh, I spotted there was this factor, impartial music. People who weren’t signed to a label, weren’t getting performed on the radio, however they have been making a dwelling taking part in music. And it took me hook, line and sinker.
Chancellor Woodson: You recognize, one of many issues that I’ve been fascinated in studying about and listening to your music is how a lot you’ve all the time concerned the followers within the launch of a brand new undertaking. If I’m not mistaken, virtually all your studio albums have began with kickstarter campaigns and been funded by your followers.
BJ: For positive. We’ve got all the time been a heavy touring, however we knew we weren’t going to get radio well-known. So after we began this band, it was very a lot, how are we going to fund this? And so, we realized that the way in which to success was one, taking part in as many reveals as we might. So, very early on, beginning in 2006, we began touring about 300 reveals a 12 months.
Chancellor Woodson: Wow.
BJ: Which isn’t actually–
Chancellor Woodson: Turns on the market’s solely three hundred and sixty five days in a 12 months.
BJ: Precisely. So, we broke each relationship aside that we had again dwelling. We simply ruined every little thing. And we lived on the street for nearly a decade.
Chancellor Woodson: Wow.
BJ: However after a decade of taking part in 300 reveals a 12 months all the world over, you understand that you just’ve picked up loads of followers alongside the way in which. And I’d say half of them, in some unspecified time in the future in our profession, uttered the phrases, “Man, I want there was one thing else I might do that can assist you out, than shopping for only one T-shirt or shopping for a ticket to your present.” And so we lastly turned it over to them and mentioned, “You wish to assist us out? Purchase each certainly one of our information 9 months upfront, earlier than it ever comes out. And assist us make this factor.” And so, by them doing that, we’ve by no means needed to signal to a document label, we’ve by no means needed to give away any of our inventive processes. We’re one of many few bands that I do know of, 15 years into their profession, that personal 100% of their materials. I personal each single factor I’ve ever recorded and no person will get to the touch it.
Chancellor Woodson: Wow.
BJ: Which is—
Chancellor Woodson: Lots of artists can’t say that.
BJ: There should not loads of artists that may say that. Like, the parents on the radio, your massive artists, they’ve so many fingers within the cookie jar on the finish of the day. They need to make their dwelling touring, they get nothing off the recorded aspect. And so, I’m very lucky that after 15 years to lookup and never solely do I get to tour and make a dwelling, I additionally get to make a dwelling off the artwork that I created.
Chancellor Woodson: Effectively Pack, that’s Suppose and Do. That’s superb. Let’s get again to the Pack for a second.
BJ: Yeah, positive.
Chancellor Woodson: I’ve seen you down on the sidelines. I’m guessing that you just’re greater than an off-the-cuff fan of the Pack.
BJ: That could be a stable guess.
Chancellor Woodson: Is it a stable guess?
BJ: It’s a stable guess.
Chancellor Woodson: All proper.
BJ: I’m a fanatic. I’m a real fan of the Pack. It began going to high school right here, dance with the one which introduced you. Rising up in North Carolina, while you’re a child in elementary college, you have a tendency to tug for one of many blue groups as a result of they gained lots. It was exhausting being a Pack fan in elementary college. However as soon as I began attending NC State, there was no wanting again. This was my crew, win or lose. I used to be a Pack fan. And so, I’ve carried that over into my grownup life. I’m at each — If I’m dwelling, I’m at a recreation. I’ve taken that into my music as nicely. I’ve written songs about Raleigh, I’ve written songs in regards to the Wolfpack. I’ve made a pair obscure NC State references in songs that Pack alumni are likely to get. But it surely’s been enjoyable to observe my fan base affiliate NC State with me. As a result of I’m the one hyperlink to that. There’s not many individuals in Nebraska or Wisconsin or Texas that care.
Chancellor Woodson: Effectively, a couple of in Nebraska now.
BJ: For positive, there are. However there’s loads of these people that didn’t actually take note of NC State soccer or NC State basketball or baseball or wrestling. And due to me and due to them following us on Twitter, they’ve needed to maintain a aspect eye on what NC State did this week.
Chancellor Woodson: Completely.
BJ: And it’s all the time good when followers come to the merch desk once they’re carrying a Wisconsin hat or a College of Washington hat or a Longhorns hat. And as a substitute of speaking about their alma mater, they’re speaking to me about NC State. Like, did you see what NC State did within the final week? And I’m like, let’s chat it up.
Chancellor Woodson: BJ, speak about what you’re most enthusiastic about now in your music. I do know your final album — It’s not each artist that can provide Previous Testomony references of their music, however “Lamentations,” lamenting on, you understand, the Fall of Jerusalem.
BJ: Yeah. Effectively, I noticed lots. So, I wrote the brand new document “Lamentations” is basically about, you understand, it’s form of the Biblical stance and it’s form of the Webster stance. I wrote a document primarily based round—I used to be raised within the Southern Baptist Church.
Chancellor Woodson: After all you have been.
BJ: My dad was a deacon. I grew up singing within the church. I believe that anyone price their weight in songwriting needed to develop up with that non secular pressure pulling at them. However the ebook of lamentations all the time struck me as this sort of wild factor as a result of it’s Jeremiah standing again and watching the Fall of Jerusalem. Watching Babylon take over Jerusalem, and questioning God, asking, “The place are you now? We’ve given you every little thing. Why are you letting this occur to our nation? Why is it so divided proper now?” And I noticed loads of correlations between that and 2019 America. So, I began writing songs in that vein. After which I spotted if I wrote 10 songs like that, it might be a really polarizing document. So, then I went to Webster’s, which the phrase “lamentation” simply means an excessive expression of sorrow or grief. And I used to be like, I can positively write 10 songs that contact on that. So, I wrote from, principally the theme of the document went from simply this Previous Testomony, form of, audiology to the issues that take a look at us as human beings, the issues that break us as human beings. So, there’s watching your nation turn into divided. There’s a loss of a kid. There’s a dissolution of a wedding. There’s monetary spoil, there’s dependancy, there’s restoration. It actually touched on loads of these cornerstones of the human expertise. And so, that’s why I’m so pleased with that document as a result of it encompassed a lot of what all of us need to undergo. It wasn’t only a document about me, and my travels and my journey. It was a document that I believe lots of people might faucet into and discover a piece of themselves in.
Chancellor Woodson: I positively agree. It’s an outstanding piece of artwork.
BJ: Thanks.
Chancellor Woodson: Let’s discuss a bit of bit about a number of the issues that you just simply talked about, significantly dependancy and restoration. I lead a giant college, a college you like. And one of many issues we spend a lot time on is making an attempt to assist younger folks take care of well being and wellness and handle themselves. You’ve been very public about sobriety and about a few of your challenges and what it means to you now. Discuss a bit of bit about that and the context of every little thing we’re all making an attempt to do to get by way of this pandemic, to handle each other and simply mirror a bit on that.
BJ: Yeah, I simply celebrated my seventh 12 months of sobriety. Aug. 31 was my seventh 12 months of sobriety. I don’t assume you’ll be able to inform an 18-year-old child in regards to the pitfalls of dependancy. It’s one thing you must expertise for your self. No one might have advised me. Once I was at NC State, once I was 18, wide-eyed and pondering I knew every little thing in regards to the world. I wasn’t going to take heed to some middle-aged man inform me in regards to the—
Chancellor Woodson: I’m superior for my age, however I get it.
BJ: I wasn’t going to let somebody inform me about sobriety. In my expertise, you must undergo the loss. It’s a must to undergo the pitfalls. It’s a must to watch how dangerous it may be to even attempt to think about how good it might be. And for me, it didn’t take lengthy. It took a few month of sobriety. I began feeling higher. I began sounding higher as a singer, as a performer. My relationships started to heal after 2, 3, 6 months, a 12 months. I began turning into a greater individual. I began turning into dependable. I began turning into somebody that individuals needed to be round. After which as soon as I bought married — I don’t assume it’s a coincidence that I bought sober after which every little thing modified for me. My profession took off, I bought married, I began a household. I turned profitable in my profession. I wasn’t just a few singer-songwriter making an attempt to make it. I used to be an area singer-songwriter that had made it. And I don’t assume that’s a coincidence that it occurred. It immediately coincided with my sobriety. So I inform children, I’m a dwelling proof you could nonetheless be a rock and curler, you’ll be able to nonetheless journey the world and have enjoyable and never depend on one thing else to be the enjoyable, to be the catalyst for the enjoyable. You may be the catalyst for the enjoyable.
Chancellor Woodson: So one of many issues that I’ve observed about loads of distinguished artists in the course of the pandemic when excursions have been shut down. They actually reverted again to, actually pondering deeply about their music, writing nice materials. And, that’s been true for you, I do know. However one of many issues I observed is that you just’ve recorded a canopy album.
BJ: Yeah
Chancellor Woodson: And by the way in which, I like the duvet on the album.
BJ: Thanks.
Chancellor Woodson: I don’t know if I can say this, Levi Strauss, however when you look fastidiously, I believe you’ll see a few stunning wolves pulling aside.
BJ: We changed, on the duvet of that document, we changed a number of the horses with wolves and made that label on our personal. We modified it simply sufficient to the place I don’t assume Levi can sue us. Which is an efficient factor. It’s 20% you’ve bought to alter. After which it’s a totally new factor. However yeah, we determined in the midst of the pandemic, we couldn’t do anything. So we determined to document this document of songs that influenced us as children. Each child needs to faux they have been influenced by Fugazi and Townes Van Zandt rising up. However they weren’t. For those who grew up within the mid-‘80s like me, you have been influenced by radio nation, F.M., ‘90s nation. And so, we bought collectively and recorded a few of our favourite ‘90s nation songs. It’s form of a tip of the hat to pay homage to the stuff that gave us our musical basis. We had zero thought if the followers have been going to get pleasure from it. We made it for us. We made it to present us one thing to stay up for, one thing to do and maintain our fingers occupied. And as quickly as we put it out, we realized that we weren’t the one folks that had that have with ‘90s nation. There have been lots of people that it actually resonated with. And so, I wish to say, we pressed up a pair thousand
vinyl copies of the document they usually offered out in lower than 24 hours.
Chancellor Woodson: Wow!
BJ: And we have been like, oh! We severely underestimated the need, the demand right here. And so it’s been loads of enjoyable. Particularly on tour this summer season, we’ve been throwing one or two of the songs within the set each evening. And simply to observe the group spark up and are available alive. It’s been loads of enjoyable.
Chancellor Woodson: Effectively, I observed you referred to it as Quantity 1.
BJ: Yeah.
Chancellor Woodson: So, who is aware of?
BJ: There’s a Quantity 2. I gained’t be leaking an excessive amount of data right here, however I’ve promised folks that earlier than the tip of 2021, Quantity 2 comes out.
Chancellor Woodson: Wow!
BJ: I’m not giving dates however it’s already recorded. It’s executed. However the factor I believe I’m most enthusiastic about is Nov. 1, we return within the studio to document our subsequent studio document, getting away from the duvet stuff. Such as you mentioned, focusing again on the songs, the intense songs that we wrote in the course of the pandemic. And we’re doing that out in El Paso, Texas. And so, one other North Carolina reference the identify of the document is Hen Mokomoko.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah, say {that a} hundred instances.
BJ: Yeah. Belief me I needed to, to discover ways to say it correctly. Hen Mokomoko is what the Northern tip of Hatteras Island was once referred to as again earlier than when it was Rodanthe and Waves, earlier than the US Postal Service moved in and adjusted all of it. However I wrote this document. Me and my spouse went on the market for a few month, February of final 12 months. I suppose February of this 12 months, February, 2021, and holed up on the seashore. I don’t know if anyone’s ever been to the Outer Banks in February. It’s empty. It’s desolate. There’s no person there. So it was actually enjoyable to stroll up and down the seashore every single day for miles and never see a single individual. It was a extremely desolate place to put in writing this sort of document about loneliness and solitude and loss, which is what I equate 2020 to. And so, I’m actually excited for people to listen to that. That’ll be out in the summertime of 2022. However we get to document it in November.
Chancellor Woodson: Effectively, BJ, I’ve a weak spot for guitars.
BJ: Yeah.
Chancellor Woodson: And—
BJ: Similar.
Chancellor Woodson: Really my spouse thinks it’s an issue, however I cover them. They’re in several rooms.
BJ: Good.
Chancellor Woodson: You don’t maintain all of them collectively or they begin counting.
BJ: Yeah.
Chancellor Woodson: However, you’ve bought a guitar that I wager lots of people, significantly in Wolfpack Nation lust over. And that’s a purple, J-45 Gibson.
BJ: Yeah.
Chancellor Woodson: You’ll be able to’t discover these. I imply, they didn’t make loads of them. Is that mid-‘60s?
BJ: It’s ‘68.
Chancellor Woodson: OK.
BJ: ‘68 is the one 12 months they made them. And the one approach you might get one was ordering it from the catalog. In order that they didn’t promote them in shops. You needed to organize them straight from Gibson, which brings the amount down fairly a bit. But it surely’s a purple 1968 J-45 with the white binding. I all the time advised myself if I ever discovered a Wolfpack guitar, a top quality Gibson Wolfpack guitar, I used to be going to purchase it. And I discovered it in Houston, Texas. And instantly purchased it. Put it on three bank cards.
Chancellor Woodson: Man’s bought to do what he’s bought to do.
BJ: Yeah, and that is again earlier than. I knew how I used to be going to pay these bank cards off. This was taking a shot and I’m like, I’m by no means going to search out this guitar once more. And I’ve solely seen one or two since I purchased it.
Chancellor Woodson: I’ve by no means seen one.
BJ: Yeah. They’re extraordinarily uncommon. And it’s turn into synonymous with me as a musician. When folks see that purple guitar, they know what band is taking part in, simply due to how uncommon the guitar is. But it surely’s all the time enjoyable once I play in Raleigh as a result of folks know that it’s not only a coincidence that I’ve a purple and white guitar. Particularly a mid-‘60s Gibson.
Chancellor Woodson: Effectively, how typically do you get again to the campus?
BJ: I come to campus as soon as every week.
Chancellor Woodson: I do know for soccer you—
BJ: For, as soon as every week, I come to campus. My daughter is a large fan of the Belltower. It’s like her favourite factor ever. Elmo takes a again seat in relation to the Belltower. So, we come as soon as every week and we’ve lunch on the Belltower. And my child goes loopy. She’s 3. She’s solely been in bother as soon as at her preschool and we bought referred to as in for a mother or father convention. And we thought it was going to be one thing horrible. We have been like, what’d she do? And it’s like, she retains yelling, “Go Wolfpack!” And he or she gained’t cease doing it. And the instructor’s a Carolina fan. So, she’s clearly upset about it. And my spouse was like, we’ll handle it. And I do know we gained’t. I used to be like, I’m pleased with my child. However, she apparently was main the remainder of the category in a “Go Wolfpack!” chant. And it warms my soul understanding that. As a result of my spouse mentioned, “Why are you submitting her to this? It’s such an early age.” I’m like, she selected it.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah.
BJ: So, she’s bought all of her NC State stuff. She’s bought a bit of pewter Belltower proper beside of her mattress. She’s rising up as a part of the Pack.
Chancellor Woodson: And he or she’s already exhibiting super management.
BJ: Extraordinarily. Yeah. That’s what I assumed. And so after popping out of that parent-teacher convention, it was like, that is great. I used to be glowing. I used to be actually glowing. But it surely’s enjoyable. So, we carry her to campus, she’s met Mr. and Ms. Wuf. We carry her to Talley and we take her to see Reynolds and he or she’s studying her approach. She’s going to be a type of children that, you understand in regards to the teenage years, when she involves State, which she inevitably will, she’ll be the child that already is aware of the place every little thing is.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah. We’re saving a spot.
BJ: Yeah. Good. I’ll let her know. As a result of my spouse was like, the very first thing I want you to do is safe her spot. And I used to be like, yeah. So what’s that, 15 years from now? Admissions? We’re you.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah. Preserve the strain on. Preserve the strain on. All proper. So, speak about Coach Doeren. I do know y’all have an ideal relationship. You’re down on the sidelines lots. He’s not NC State, however boy, is he NC State.
BJ: He’s NC State. 9 years in, I believe you earn your spot. That’s the longest coach we’ve had tenure right here since I’ve — I got here right here in ‘02, so he’s positively the coach. He’s been right here virtually half my time. Doeren, he has impeccable musical style.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah. That’s true.
BJ: That’s the factor that we bonded over. He listened to loads of the music that we love. And so, we see him at reveals. We’ve seen him at a couple of music festivals.
Chancellor Woodson: You might want to assist him together with his guitar abilities.
BJ: He’s bought the open chords.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah. All proper.
BJ: He can maintain his personal.
Chancellor Woodson: All proper
BJ: However he’s been actually nice. The teaching workers has all the time been actually nice to me, letting me come and actually be part of that have. As a result of as a scholar, I’d have executed lots to have the ability to be that near the gamers. And it’s been very nice to get to know a number of the gamers and get to know many of the teaching workers and simply be capable of be that near the motion. It’s one thing I don’t take with no consideration.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah.
BJ: Any Saturday, I’m in a position to stand down there. It’s an actual honor. And coach Doeren has been nice, actually supportive of the band on-line and Twitter and Instagram and all that great things. He’s doing a bang-up job.
Chancellor Woodson: Discuss a bit of bit about what you mentioned earlier, Coach Doeren has impeccable music style. The place’s your music style go? Who’re the celebs or the music — stars isn’t the best phrase — however the artists and musicians, the folks that you just admire, that you just listened to, that you’d like to document with or have recorded with.
BJ: Like I mentioned earlier, my musical style was very restricted. My scope was extraordinarily restricted. Rising up in Reidsville, we didn’t have document shops, we didn’t have, you understand — it was what was on the radio and what you got at Walmart. That was your musical style.
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah.
BJ: So transferring to Raleigh, the primary job I bought once I moved to Raleigh was on the Report Trade on Hillsborough Avenue. I labored there for 5 years and walked into work every single day and I bought to take heed to music. I bought to simply soar into no matter was standing on the aisles. You get to open every little thing up and take heed to it. And so, I fell in love with loads of actually massive generational songwriters, so Springsteen, Tom Petty, Neil Younger, Dylan, Paul Simon, form of these actually big voices by themselves. However then they’d these superb backing bands, particularly Petty and Springsteen. That was who I needed to mannequin my stuff after. I needed the songs to be nice simply on an acoustic guitar. However I needed all of the muscle to come back from a extremely massive rock and roll band. And in order that’s form of the classical affect, the modern affect, the Drive-By Truckers, Lucero, Whiskeytown. These are some bands that had form of extra of like a punk rock edge to nation music, which I completely resonated with. And so they weren’t well-known.
It was bands that I might go see on the Cat’s Cradle, bands I might go see on the Lincoln Theater and there’d solely be 200 folks there. However songs that made me wish to write higher songs. Seeing these guys in Raleigh and Chapel Hill let me know that I didn’t need to be the prettiest man within the room. I didn’t need to have the very best voice. I simply needed to write good songs and needed to tour.
And it actually arrange the blueprint for what I used to be doing. I used to be going and seeing all of these reveals within the Triangle freshman 12 months, sophomore 12 months in faculty. I used to be most likely going to 5 or 6 reveals every week. Simply, I fell in love with music. And so, I tended to skew extra on the indie rock aspect of stuff, WKNC 88.1, it was all the time on within the automotive.
Chancellor Woodson: You recognize, I used to be a visitor DJ.
BJ: Oh!
Chancellor Woodson: Final week.
BJ: See, I’ve by no means had the respect. I’ve been interviewed a couple of instances, however I’ve by no means been the DJ.
Chancellor Woodson: Oh, it’s big. I had a Muscle Shoals historical past lesson.
BJ: I recorded a document in Muscle Shoals, Alabama.
Chancellor Woodson: I do know you have got.
BJ: And that’s, for these watching, Muscle Shoals is likely one of the magical locations of the world. So that you had an entire hour?
Chancellor Woodson: I had an entire hour and I began again with Percy Sledge, moved over. Oh, it was a giant time.
BJ: Oh, you’re talking my language. That is nice.
Chancellor Woodson: So, we have been speaking earlier about an incredible run for our baseball crew and the way tragically it ended. However I used to be at Arkansas after we gained that sequence, and also you talked about you have been taking part in a present in Arkansas after we had gained the sequence. You recognize, Arkansas is my dwelling state. You’ve gotten a giant fan base there. In truth, once I was coming to NC State in 2010, my sister wrote me and mentioned, “You recognize American Aquarium from Raleigh?”
BJ: Yeah.
Chancellor Woodson: No, I’m severe.
BJ: Actually?
Chancellor Woodson: Yeah. So, you do have a giant fan base.
BJ: Yeah. Fayetteville is a good spot for us. We performed in Fayetteville the day after we gained that sequence. So, it was nonetheless very a lot an open wound and I simply danced round and poured salt in it, which is—
Chancellor Woodson: Only a nod to George’s Majestic Lounge, for all of the Razorback followers on the market, if there are any.
BJ: George’s is our dwelling in Fayetteville. We love these guys.
Chancellor Woodson: Effectively, it’s been nice to meet up with you.
BJ: Thanks. Thanks for having me.
Chancellor Woodson: We’re pleased with what you do. We’re pleased with the way you signify NC state and excited to your future as you might be producing some superb music.
BJ: Thanks a lot. I’ll all the time rep the Pack in every little thing I do. And it’s all the time good to be included in stuff like this as a result of the college holds such a particular place in my life, and so, something I can do to assist in giving again to it’s nice.
Chancellor Woodson: All proper. Go Pack!
